Moving a Taxable Account from Betterment to Vanguard

Moving a Taxable Account from Betterment to Vanguard

Betterment is a great option for those looking to start investing in the stock market. They make investing easier, affordable, and completely hands-off. They create portfolios tailored to your risk tolerance investing in passively managed Index Funds to keep your costs as low as possible.

The first time I heard about Betterment was in 2015 while listening to a podcast on my commute to work. At the time, I knew very little about investing and the only thing I was doing was maximizing contributions to my company sponsored 401(k). The more they discussed the benefits of their services the more I considered using them as an option for both taxable and non-taxable accounts.

After doing extensive research I became a customer of Betterment.

A taxable account was the first step. I was set up with an aggressive portfolio with an asset allocation of 90% stocks and 10% bonds using Vanguard’s ETFs almost exclusively. Total cost was a combination of the expense ratio of each ETF and Betterment’s 0.15% (annually) of assets under management. At the time, I thought this was a great deal.

Things would change in 2017 when Betterment decided to eliminate their three-tier pricing of 0.15%, 0.25% and 0.35% of assets under management (AUM) to charge a flat fee of 0.25% across the board.

I wasn’t too happy with the news and considered ditching them. This was especially true given that my confidence in implementing a DIY approach increased thanks to lots of readings and education on various topics related to personal finance, in particular investing.

In the end, we decided to stay with Betterment. We were quite pleased with the platform and the overall user experience. Everything was automated, the portfolio performed “relatively” well compared to the S&P 500, and tax-loss harvesting was ice on the cake.

But Things Changed …

The stock market has been gracious to most investors. There are tons of discussions and speculations about a correction being closer than we think but honestly, nobody knows. My investment philosophy is quite simple, control what you can control and set up an asset allocation that lets you sleep well at night.

Opening the Betterment account caused an inflection point on our journey to Financial Independence but a lot has happened since then.

Education and intentionality have become integral parts of our lives

We’ve maximized all tax-deferred vehicles including my company sponsored 401(k) and HSA, as well as our IRAs, via backdoor Roth conversions. In 2018, we also completed our first mega-backdoor Roth conversion for a total of ~$66,000 in tax-deferred savings.

Our investing options have remained simple focusing on passively managed low-cost index funds such as Vanguard’s VTSAX and Fidelity’s FSKAX. I recognized this is quite risky but despite the events at the end of 2018, and more recently in 2019, this works for us.

When looking at the performance of all the buckets in our portfolio, we couldn’t stop noticing the difference between the Betterment account and the S&P 500. The picture below needs little explanation.

Time-weighted Investment Returns at Betterment
Time-weighted comparison between my Betterment portfolio and the S&P 500

The next graph is taken from Personal Capital for the same time period. I’m not sure why the numbers don’t match with Betterments’. Regardless, the reality is the same. The difference is quite significant.

You Index vs S&P 500 at Personal Capital
Betterment performance vs S&P 500 in Personal Capital

Avoid Complacency

We have nothing but great things to say about Betterment. The user interface (UI) and user experience (UX) are second to none. If I were to choose two words to describe their interface we’d say “slick and sexy”!

After much debate, it was time to get out of our comfort zone. We really enjoyed the partnership with Betterment but it was time to take control of this part of our portfolio and eliminate the 0.25% extra cost.

Moving our Investments to Vanguard

Vanguard is the most popular firm in the Personal Finance community for various reasons. A few years back we decided to open our Roth IRAs and a taxable account at Vanguard so it just made sense to consolidate our investments with them.

A lot of people complain about their website. Yes, it’s not sexy but honestly, who cares. Low-cost offerings and great customer service beat sexy any time of the day.

There were quite a few articles about transferring IRAs from Betterment to Vanguard but none of them covered taxable accounts specifically.

Easier than I thought

The first step was to figure out options to move our investments out of Betterment without creating a taxable event.

We sent an email to Betterment’s customer service and they got back to us the same day. They mentioned we could 1) liquidate the entire portfolio and receive a check in the mail or 2) process and in-kind transfer to another taxable account at another firm.

Option 1 was obviously the easiest one; however, it meant having to pay taxes on capital gains in 2019. As a result, we went with option 2.

Betterment directed us to instructions on their site where they specify steps for in-kind transfers to other institutions.

At Vanguard, the process was straightforward and consisted of 12 steps.

Step 1: Investing>Rollover & Transfers>Account Transfer>Start your transfer online

Step 1 for in-kind transfer at Vanguard

Step 2: Documents you will need to complete the transfer

Step 2 for in-kind transfer at Vanguard

Step 3: Select Brokerage Firm, type of account (individual=taxable), account number, value, and whether or not you’re transferring the whole thing.

Step 3 for in-kind transfer at Vanguard

Step 4: Select the type of investments. In our case ETFs.

Step 4 for in-kind transfer at Vanguard

Step 5: Depending on your situation select Yes or No. For us, It was No for both options.

Step 5 for in-kind transfer at Vanguard

Step 6: Indicate the receiving account at Vanguard. We chose an existing brokerage account; however, you’ll be given the option to create a new one.

Step 7: Review and e-sign. Once you press submit, you’ll receive an email from Vanguard with an attachment that includes all the forms you need to send via mail.

Step 8: Vanguard requires all paperwork be medallion signature guaranteed. Go to a brick and mortar bank (you do business with) and get your two copies stamped with a medallion signature.

Step 9: Review the forms and provide additional information (if needed). Print your last statement from Betterment and attach it to Vanguard signed forms. Proceed with sending via mail to Vanguard.

Step 9 for in-kind transfer at Vanguard

Step 10: Similarly to step 9. Print one copy of your last Betterment statement. Attach it to Vanguard signed forms and send it via mail to Betterment.

Step 10 for in-kind transfer at Vanguard

Step 11: Wait for funds to hit your Vanguard account. The process should take approximately 4-6 weeks.

Note Betterment provides its customer with the flexibility to invest in fractional shares. As a result, they will only transfer whole shares. Fractional shares will remain at Betterment. We were advised to liquidate the remaining funds but we still haven’t pulled the trigger on it.

Step 12: Request Cost Basis from Betterment and request sending it over to Vanguard (update to the original post)

Well as it turned out we made a mistake during this process. It was certainly an inconvenience but definitely not the end of the world. Long story short, Betterment DOES NOT automatically send over cost-basis information related to an in-kind transfer. Why? beats me.

If you plan to do an in-kind transfer from Betterment have them send over the cost basis information to Vanguard and where ever your funds will be transfered.

But how did we miss this? … the answer is one risky word … assumption.

As we started to simplify our portfolio at Vanguard we did notice we were missing the cost basis for the transferred positions along with purchase dates. This was kind of a red flag; however, we didn’t pay too much attention and I’ll tell you why.

Betterment’s platform includes automated reporting and one of them is specifically related to cost basis. When the transfer was completed I downloaded the report as a .csv file and the used Google sheets to identify and track the number of shares we could sell without realizing short term capital gains. Vanguard also uses FIFO (first in, first out) which guarantees the sale of your shares start with the oldest to the most recent.

For the most part, we sold positions in the long-term category; however, we did sell some we knew would trigger short-term gains. We estimated the tax hit and it wasn’t too bad. Yes, we could have held off but simplification was something we really wanted sooner rather than later. In hindsight, we should have waited.

In April of 2020, we received tax form 1099-DIV and 1099-B from Vanguard and that’s when we realized Vanguard had never received the cost basis information from Betterment. The implications can be significant as the transactions we executed on had a 100% realized gain.

We immediately called Betterment and confirmed they DO NOT provide this information to any receiving institution of an in-kind transfer unless specifically directed by the customer. I was both shocked and surprised; however, my focus was on working on a solution.

Betterment customer’s support said they would send over the information and Vanguard confirmed the delivery within ~48 hours. In the end, we had a corrected 1099-B that same week.

Final Thoughts

  • Betterment is a great option for investing in the stock market. This post was not meant to be an extensive review of their services but if you want to know more simply google “Betterment reviews” or visit this link as a first start.
  • A lot has changed since we started our journey to Financial Independence. We continue to educate ourselves and live an intentional life.
  • Investing in the stock market is not rocket science and there are ways to keep things simple. Whether you use a service like Betterment’s or decide to be more hands-on, consider using passively managed low-cost index funds.
  • Being complacent did not go well for us. We could have done better by simply investing in a total stock market index fund like VTSAX, FSKAX, or VFIAX. It’s always hindsight 20/20 but it’s confirmation that owning the market is the way to go (at least in my opinion).
  • The process for an in-kind transfer from Betterment to Vanguard may seem intimidating but it is not that hard. It requires a little bit of work but overall it straightforward.
  • Being DIY and controlling what we can control (aka fees) works for us. If you’re not interested in this topic or simply want to be hands-off, consider a service like Betterment’s (or other robo-advisors in the space) or invest in target-date retirement funds without having to pay management fees.
  • Ask Betterment to send the cost basis to Vanguard that way you’ll have everything you need to start simplifying your portfolio understanding tax implications.

Until next time … JJ

21 thoughts on “Moving a Taxable Account from Betterment to Vanguard

    1. Hey Cam, yes. My Betterment account had both Vanguard and Schwab ETFs and all of them were transferred (whole shares) without any issues. Betterment was very easy to work with as well as Vanguard. Before getting everything set up I also called Vanguard to make sure there would be no fees associated with this. The one thing that caught me off guard was cost basis. Betterment generated a statement with cost basis information but they did not provide this information to Vanguard. I recently received my tax forms from Vanguard and noticed there was no cost basis information. I immediately called Betterment and they confirmed they do not provide this information to the receiving institution unless directed by the customer. That was surprising but they went ahead and acted promptly and facilitated the information to Vanguard who was able to correct my 1099 without any issues. Hopefully this information helps. Thanks for stopping by JJ.

  1. Thank you for the response and additional information! I have read stories about cost basis issues for those moving from Betterment to Vanguard and wonder if it is just better to liquidate and pay the capital gains in order to avoid this entirely? However, I had another idea which is to use the Betterment Flexible Portfolio in order to customize each goal before doing the in kind transfer. Example, change the Betterment allocation to sell everything except for VTI (100% allocation. The problem with this idea is that if I customize the portfolio Betterment will buy more of that allocation, 100% VTI in this case, where I would prefer to just take the cash proceeds and move fwd with buying VTSAX at Vanguard. In short, I like the idea of selling everything at Betterment since the cost basis will be accurate, however I also want to avoid capital gains so there lies the same issue that you had (gains vs in kind transfer). How long did the cost basis take to move over and does Vanguard allow you to sell those ETF’s by tax lot in order to swap your portfolio over in the future to VTSAX or something else? If you had to do it over again would you do anything different? Might be worth doing another article on “post” Betterment describing the cost basis issue and to discuss the possibility of the flexible portfolio noted above in addition to just selling off Betterment for a clean break / accurate cost basis. Finally, any advice or ideas on these topics would greatly appreciated as stated there is a great lack of information around these topics during and after the transition from Betterment to say Vanguard. Thanks so much!!!!

    1. Hey Cam, I really appreciate the comments and additional conversations. I agree with you. There is not a lot of information out there for brokerage accounts transfers between Betterment like accounts to other accounts. Now, let me try to address some of your questions and comments. (1) Is it better to liquidate your Betterment account and pay the capital gains? This is certainly the easiest thing to do and as always depends on your personal situation. If your Betterment holdings have been in your portfolio for 365+ days I think this is certainly a good option because you will pay long term capital gains. In my case, some of my holdings would have triggered short term capital gains so the in-kind transfer was a more cost-effective option for me. Now, if you think about short/long term capital gain and cost-basis this has meaning only when you sell your holdings. If you leave your transferred Betterment portfolio AS-IS then life is good, i.e. no taxable events. In my case, portfolio simplification and lowering of fees were drivers for moving funds out of Betterment. Since cost-basis info was not available at Vanguard, I downloaded cost-basis statements from Betterment. This helped me guide portfolio simplification at Vanguard to make sure I was only selling lots that would trigger long-term capital gains. (2) How long did the cost basis take to move over and does Vanguard allow you to sell those ETF’s by tax lot in order to swap your portfolio over in the future to VTSAX or something else? Vanguard does provide you with the option to sell specific lots or use FIFO (First in/First out) making sure you sell oldest to newest. Since the cost basis was not available I was using FIFO but the # of shares came from an excel sheet I put together with the info I downloaded from Betterment. (3) If you had to do it over again would you do anything differently? I would push Betterment to send the cost basis info to Vanguard. When I gave them a call they were super fast to provide the info to Vanguard. A major miss on my part for sure. I will think about your comment of a follow up on moving a portfolio from Betterment to Vanguard. What I will say is that the process is intimidating but not that hard. If you move your portfolio and you ask Betterment to send the cost basis to Vanguard you’ll have everything you need to simplify your portfolio fully understanding tax implications. As I said, I dropped the ball on that one so that is the big takeaway. Maybe our conversation is a good follow up to the original post and could help folks considering transferring portfolios to Vanguard. I’ll still think about your suggestion to see if it has enough meat to become a stand-alone post.

  2. Hi JJ
    Found out I was getting similar S&P comparisons with my Brokerage at Betterment and have been on the fence in moving across to Vanguard (lazy//nervous). Well, today I found your website and it empowered me to start the transfer(s) (multiple IRAs coming across too). I now have to print a bunch of paperwork and follow through, but at the end of the day I will no longer be with Betterment.
    Question, once you had transferred over, was it then just a bit of patience (ie waiting for ST to become LT holdings) and AGI balancing to start moving more toward your ‘Ideal’ ETF lineup? I’m a touch green as I have been passive with Betterment for far too long (up unit this point) and would not mind any insight/suggestions on that end.

    1. Hey, RCL thanks for stopping by. I’m glad this post has been helpful. FYI: I added step 12 to the post so check it out. To answer your question: yes, patience and due diligence are important to make sure you don’t trigger short term capital gains. I still need to further simplify our portfolio but we are definitely doing better than before. The nice thing is that we had stopped automated investing at Betterment for quite some time so that helped reduce the number of short term purchases. If you can, wait and make sure you’re at 365+1 days 🙂

  3. Hi JJ,

    I am initiating a transfer too from Betterment taxable account to my Vanguard. I have a question for you about fractional shares –

    While I understand that Betterment will only be able to transfer whole share, when you are filling up the form at Vanguard, do you still select “yes, transfer your entire account” and enter the amount of all fund values including the fractional securities?

    I just called a investment specialist in Vanguard and seems like they weren’t too sure about this either. She mentioned that I should calculate “the total values of just the Whole Shares”. Hopefully you can help clarify. Thanks!

    1. Hi Karen, I selected the “yes, transfer your entire account” option. I believe I entered an estimate based on the entire account balance at Betterment. I wouldn’t worry too much about accuracy in your estimate because the amount will change based on daily market fluctuations. In addition, the amount associated with fractional shares tends to be a small number. I honestly think Vanguard uses that box as a reference that they will use to cross-check against the amount they receive from Betterment. One last thing I wanted to share is to remember to ask Betterment to send the cost basis info to Vanguard. I hope this helps but let me know if you have any other questions or comments!

  4. Thanks for all this wealth of information JJ. I had a question: Once the funds are transferred to Vanguard, they show up in the same original funds/ETFs? Correct? If you wanted to move it from these original funds they were transferred to into another index funds like VTSAX, I assume you then will still have to pay long term capital gains taxes for selling the shares from their original ETF’s/funds? Is that correct?

    If that is true, would the other option be (assuming you have no short term gains) to just cash out your Betterment account, pay the long term gains taxes and then put the money into the Vanguard Brokerage account directly into something like VTSAX or similar funds? Thereby avoiding the whole transfer process?

    Let me know if I have misunderstood the process. Thanks again!

    1. Hi, thanks for the kind words. I highly recommend sending a note to Betterment. Their customer service is outstanding. That said, let me share my understanding with you. (1) Yes, since it is a transfer in-kind you should expect to see the same funds from Betterment hit your Vanguard account. (2) Yes, if you sell any positions to then buy something like VTSAX, you will trigger a taxable event and gains will be taxed based on your holding period (short or long term). (3) In theory, if all your positions at Betterment have been held longer than 365+1 days then you have the option to cash out and my understanding is Betterment will send you a check or transfer funds to an account of your choice. Once received, you have the option to open the Vanguard account and invest as you want. As you state, that would eliminate the need for transferring funds. You understood the process 100% so you should be good. I think that If I had been in your position I probably would have kept things simple just cashing out the Betterment account. We decided not to do that to avoid triggering taxable events associated with short-term gains. Please let me know if I answered your questions or if you have any others. Thanks for stopping by. JJ

      1. Thank you JJ for clearing up my doubts and answering my questions. It all makes sense to me. I think I will go with cashing out the amount and then just investing directly into Vanguard. It will save me some headaches and just pay the taxes on the long term capital gains. Thanks for putting this guide together. I know it will help a many people looking to do the transfer directly. I appreciate the pictures showing the steps as well 🙂

        1. I had one more question JJ. Since I don’t plan on adding any more money into Betterment and I’m waiting a bit to make sure when I pull the money out there is not short term gains, I was wondering about one issue. Since Betterment automatically re-invests dividends thus buying more shares, when I pull the money out, I will still be on the hook for short term capital gains (if any) when that happens correct? Is there any way to make sure that I only have long term capital gains due when pulling all the money out? Does the 365+1 time frame really work in this case or any way to prevent Betterment from re-investing dividends? Sorry for the rambling question

          1. Hi there. This is a very good question and one that will help other readers down the road so thanks for bringing it up. If you stop investing new dollars in your Betterment account that’s all good but as you mentioned, Betterment still automatically re-invests dividends (paid/re-invested every quarter). I don’t think Betterment gives you the option to disable re-investing dividends so you’ll always be on the hook for short-term gains on those. You should be able to go to the Documents section within Betterment and print your quarterly statements to at least know your exposure to short-term gains and associated taxes. Depending on your balance it may not be such a big deal. To your second question, I don’t know if Betterment will be able to cash your account and leave holdings that may have been held for less than 366 days. You may want to contact their customer support to find out. Thanks again for reaching out and best of lucks.

  5. This article was incredibly helpful. Having just completed this process, I will add that when I requested Betterment send my cost basis information to Vanguard, they said they couldn’t do it. They sent me the cost basis information in the form of a statement. I then talked to multiple people at Vanguard and eventually was told to upload my documents through the secure message app on Vanguard’s website so they could get the cost basis information. Just wanted to share because it was not obvious at all and multiple Vanguard employees weren’t sure what to do.

    1. Thanks for sharing your experience and appreciate the kind words. I’m also surprised by Betterment’s response. I wonder if that is a change they implemented more recently or if you caught their rep on a bad day. In any case, I’m glad to hear you got things sorted out.

  6. I recently transferred my Trad and Roth IRAs from Betterment to Vanguard and I’m now in the process of transferring my taxable account. Do I need to contact Betterment and ask them to send the cost-basis statements for BOTH my IRAs and my taxable account, or is it only necessary for the taxable account? Thanks!

    1. Hey Cary, to be safe I would recommend confirming they are indeed sending all the cost-basis information on all your accounts. Better be safe than sorry. Thanks for stopping by and checking the post. Hope it was helpful.

  7. It looks like the medallion signature is only required by Vanguard if

    – The owners of the two accounts are different.
    – The account types are different (e.g., a trust transferring to an individual account).
    – The current firm requires it. (Betterment requires it if you are transferring out more than $250,000)

  8. I’m in the process of migrating my Betterment accounts to Vanguard and came across this blog. Thanks for putting together such an informative piece! It looks like Betterment may have updated their policy on sending cost basis information to the receiving firm according to this page: https://www.betterment.com/help/transfer-to-other-provider

    I’ll keep an eye on this just in case as that sounds like an easily avoidable headache. Thanks again!

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